GrodsCorp

End of an era

Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:14 pm

The Editor

Categories: Blogosphere

Tags: IainHall, scotch, TheHappyRevolutionary

Ever since an illiterate, ranting blogger by the name of Iain Hall stumbled across GrodsCorp in November 2005 he’s been a favourite target of ours. In the two-and-a-half years since that fateful day Iain has discovered the spellcheck function in Microsoft Word (set to US English, of course) and refined his blog design somewhat, but has continued to maliciously stalk anonymous bloggers (Jeremy Sear, Bridgit Gread etc.) and threaten those whose identities are known (by calling their workplaces etc.)

A couple of weeks ago Ant revealed how easily he tricked Hall into outing him as an imaginary person, and today Random Brainwave and GrodsCorp’s John Surname has proven, once and for all, how much of an unethical, stalking scumbag Iain Hall really is.

For the record, we were planning a very special group photo shoot and special edition GrodsDrink podcast episode (emailed directly to Hall) if the scotch arrived, but it was not to be. I tells ya, I could taste that scotch.

It’s worth noting that Hall put the scotch bounty on The Happy Revolutionary’s head in response to Hap allegedly calling him a paedophile; apparently this was justification enough for the stalking and the harassment and the rest. However, here is Iain Hall writing about me at his (now archived) Being Nice blog.

I understand that you are training to be a teacher can you give us some thoughts on that? Do you get close to your students?

The Editor is going away on a teaching placement to an aboriginal settlement called Anangu in deep outback South Australia for three weeks and hopes desperately that things will be back to normal when he gets back on May 23. Please use this time to peruse anything that works on the site and maybe fire off a few nasty emails to “Da Shop” on our behalf. Anyway, touched a 15 year and 10 month old girl’s breasts with her consent, . But now, in the climate of fear over pedophilia this “outstanding teacher”, as described by his principal, staff and students, has lost his job and had his career, and probably life, destroyed.

Hypocrite?

But why is this post entitled “End of an era”? Well, I always intended the scotch reveal to be the last official mention of Hall on GrodsCorp since a man of his calibre ultimately deserves to be completely ignored and, frankly, his presence on GrodsCorp cheapens us even more than Fleshlights (if that’s possible.) So unless the scotch does arrive in the mail this will be the last ever Iain Hall post on GrodsCorp.

Truly the end of an; era.

88 Comments

John Surname (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:18 pm) #

Goodbye Iain Hall
Thank fuck we don’t know you at all
Or you might have got us sacked
Or even stalked us all

You came out of the woodwork,
And you created a million blogs,
All filled with emoticons,
Then again you had no job.
The Editor (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:21 pm) #

Encore!
THR (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:37 pm) #

And we never got to hear ‘Noddy Car Driver’ done to the tune of ‘Paperback Writer’.
Bron (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:39 pm) #

So many mixed emotions.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:40 pm) #

I am offering my opinions on what can only be described as a big step forward for you and your fellow Poofs.
The fact that I think that “marriage” is a poor fit in the Gay subculture is an opinion I have come to after a great deal of thought, and an observation of the gay people I have met in my fifty odd years on the planet. Frankly if more of the Gay subculture was similar to the way that you describe your experience and less about beats and bathhouses ect then a conservative like me would have fewer reservations about Gay marriage.
THR (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:41 pm) #

So many mixed emotions.

Did you mean ‘emoticons’?
The Editor (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:43 pm) #

I think she meant mixed metaphors.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:45 pm) #

when it comes to the landscape of sexual behaviour in our society I really think that it is down to the people as a whole and what thy are prepared to find acceptable and as such everyone is entitled to offer opinions. This is really a case where research and “expert” pronouncements are no more valid than personal experience. The one thing that we share with all of our fellow humans is the biological imperative to mate, that some people have an aberrant expression of that imperative in their being attracted to members of their own gender is (quite rightly ) no longer considered a reason to discriminate against them in terms of tax property or other financial matters but lets not pretend that the expression of that sexual orientation is the same as being heterosexual except for the object of desire, because gay communities the world over show a very different model of behaviour to heterosexuals.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 4:54 pm) #

Being shall we say, orthographically challenged, I have copped a real lot of shtick about my spelling, especially from a certain cadre of Melbourne Leftards. This mob, who are no angels themselves when it comes to spelling have inspired me to run every post and every comment through MS Word. Well I have now begun to use the Firefox browser to write my blog and I just love the dictionary add on that gives me those useful red lines under my mistakes and the ability to correct them with out having to cut and paste to Word first. I also love the fact that my chosen dictionary “English (Australian)” remains as the default, because I was unable to make that so with Word no matter how I tried.
Tom (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 6:23 pm) #

Iain: shut up, piss off and don’t come back until can create either a half decent or original insult. None of this ‘leftard’ crap. Even the Prince Regent George could come up with better insults.
Bridgit Gread (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 6:46 pm) #

You know… after the three malicious de-maskings, the seven hate blogs, the two fake blogs, the chasing of Jeremy around the Internet, the hundreds of unsolicited e-mails and the 5000 or so sexist, racist or homophobic posts or comments, I’m beginning to wonder if we haven’t just misunderstood poor old Iain.
Chuck A. Spear (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 6:55 pm) #

The fake Iain; Hall is not me. I want this on the record.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:02 pm) #

This is the real, fake Iain; Hall. And if you all don’t watch your step, you will all end up in a Thai jail cell with your faces distorted in a swirl.

Oh and yes, I am just misunderstood Bridgit. Even though I was caught red-handed revealing fake people, it was the fault of the pernicious left.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:11 pm) #

Some how I don’t think that you are going to be missed that much at all…but one thing that is certain is that you do seem rather desperate for some afirmation; which is a bit sad.Keep taking the pills and cheer up; life is worth living even for sad lefties like yourself

Really it seems like the ideologues in power in the UK won’t be happy until “Buggery 101” is a compulsory subject in all of the schools.”
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:12 pm) #

I;m seeing double!

Two Iain; Halls!
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:15 pm) #

Look Iain; Hall you big tourist. I AM THE REAL, FAKE IAIN; HALL!

You will also end up in a Thai jail cell if you’re not careful.

BTW, I am leaving the Net for good. This will be my dramatic exit.

Cheers Comrades :)
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:16 pm) #

OK, I’m back. I’m sorry I didn’t ring or write. But, after all your support, I couldn’t just leave. The Net needs me!
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:17 pm) #

My grasp of the English language is probably better than most people

However if some nutter were to pop the bitch I think that the average intelligences of Australian Journalists would certainly rise by significant amount.

If they are seeking to come here for purely economic reasons then by any measure they are not “Refugee’s” nor are the “asylum seekers ” they re illegal; immigrants pure and simple.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:19 pm) #

Fuck.

It’s:

My grasp of the English language is probably better than most people’s.

Geezus, fake, fake Iain. You are multiplying like minature Rolf Harris’ from that Goodies episode.

We can get all those quotes from iainhall.com.
Iain; Hall (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:25 pm) #

As I am fond of saying to my children “hunger is the best sauce”

http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/tomorrow-is-another-day/
Bron (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:40 pm) #

Are you quite finished now?
Chuck A. Spear (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:45 pm) #

Yeah fuck off both fake Iain’s and the real Iain.

Back O/T.

What a hypocrite. I wonder if the real Hall could be sued for saying The Editor was a pedophile?

He may even lose his Noddy Car and it will end up at the local shopping centre as a 1$ stationary ride for kiddies.
notallright (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 7:50 pm) #

every now and then we meet someone who makes us feel like we need a shower after talking to them. it’s strange to think that someone i’ll never meet sitting at a computer 1000km away will give me the same feeling.

and regards to him being misunderstood perhaps this is true. he may have emotional and/or mental imbalances that make him incapable of work. this could lead to his vindictive and strange behavior. but i personally don’t give a shit, none of these are my problems.

as much as i smirked and almost laughed at pernicious minds it’s just another thing that reminds me of someone that in my short time alive i don’t need to be.

i’m glad you’ve taken the step to forget him completely i hope others like bruce do so too.
Ant Rogenous (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 8:15 pm) #

Amen, Ed — and good riddance to him.

One thing disappoints me, though: I was looking forward to drinking his scotch and then forgetting him completely, but now I’ll have to do it sober.

Such is; life.
philip travers (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 8:41 pm) #

Eh! He might just drink Kirk’s ginger beer from N.S.W. and doesnt know how to tackle in rugby and carry a awful lot of pain as a man,that Hall person!Give me Bundaberg Ginger Beer ,though anyday!? Perhaps he confused Snugglepuss with the Pink Batts type cat.That’s what is worrying Meninga from N.S.W. about what is happening to Australian masculinity.The new footballers are wearing Pink Batts underpants!? And as footballers and men become below scratch! End of Report from N.S.W.
Chuck A. Spear (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 8:46 pm) #

Thanks Phillip. Your comment makes more sense than all of Iain Hall’s posts put together.
Bridgit Gread (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 9:25 pm) #

The key phrase for making sense of philip’s post was “…from N.S.W.”
Bruce (Wednesday 7 May 2008, 10:50 pm) #

…i’m glad you’ve taken the step to forget him completely i hope others like bruce do so too.

Easier said than done sadly, despite the joys of a Iain free blog-experience (earlier this year during the quiet spell was great).

Firstly, other people have to stop from either dragging you in, by dobbing him in for every little thing - especially in comments threads. There are a couple of people doing the whole “Fight! Fight! Fight!” thing. It may often be funny, but it’s not always helpful.

Personally, I’d like to know if anything significant happened, but rather by email than having someone tell me by a more public means.

While I’m still going to write about thuggery on the Internet myself, I’m going to make an effort to find Internet thugs other than Iain, despite the ease afforded by his prolific efforts and his blogospheric proximity (the only reason he has featured on my blog at all really).

Secondly, so that we can forget him completely, we need for him to simply piss off. When people turn their backs on him, as many have done before (and more than once in some cases) he needs to turn his back on them rather than pretend to, then give chase/cyberstalk.

Sadly, this was the case earlier in the year and while it was nice for a while, all it did was precipitate unprovoked and ultimately even more fervent attacks by Iain.

I think that ideally, we shouldn’t even have to consider this kind of rubbish and should be afforded the opportunity forget him altogether. Some consideration may need to be made in order for this to be enforced, which sort of defeats the forgetting part if only in the short time.

I don’t want him trying to get at me on campus again, nor should people have to worry about him contacting their peers, family, friends, clients or employers, all of which have nothing to do with Hall yet all he has demonstrated a willingness to do so (if not competently as the various stings have shown).

I’d like some kind of understanding between those that have been targeted by Iain (and that haven’t been too provocative towards him) that they will give written testimony or something similar if someone else in Iain’s crosshairs cops it in their personal, off-blogosphere life. I’d be willing to do it and I suspect that collectively, it could also give a bit of security to people so as to make forgetting Iain easier. Knowing that the serious stuff will be more easily taken care of if need be, and the little stuff just ignored.

Thirdly, is for Iain to get a life, get over his problems and find something more meaningful to do than try to harass his political opponents off of the net. Perhaps actually spending some time studying the philosophy of some of the various thinkers in the the various fields he’s tried debating in. Not just because he obviously hasn’t made much of a go at it, but because it would/should be rewarding for him.

But as you say Notallright, it’s not our problem. It’s also not in out powers to steer Iain’s motivations.

I don’t think we are going to be able to forget him entirely. I don’t think the circumstances (or rather just Iain) will allow it unfortunately.

I just think there is a short list of things we should do so we can keep him out of mind for the most part.

So yeah, for my part I’ll be/I’ll continue to;

1) Ignoring the small crap he does, and anything significant, if discussed, I’ll be discussing by email. I’ll only write a post about his antics again if he winds up on a charge and then likely only after the proceedings have finished (and then only if I’m aware).

2) Banning him from comments (or rather continuing the now two year long ban I’ve had on him commenting at my blog)- I think his track record justifies people banning him outright from their blogs without warning or explanation. The guy is toxic.

3) Having no blogroll links to any of his blogs, nor to any blogs or wikis dedicated to parodying or teasing him (HALLWATCH, Iainhall.com, etc).

4) Not commenting at any of his blogs (the last I checked I was banned - but that was back in 2006 and I haven’t cared to try since).

5) Only reading his blogs if you are somehow tipped off to something significant (e.g. something like a trackback or email that tips you off to him having a picture of you not previously published online, or confidential stuff posted online.) I’ll be making it clear to some of the dibber-dobbers of the lesser stuff that I’m not interested.

I’d encourage other bloggers to do the same.
Damian (Thursday 8 May 2008, 12:10 am) #

Scotch or no scotch, I’m happy to hear that this is the end of it. Good riddance to bad grammar, I say.

Now, when is AuroraWatch starting up? I have some great stuff drafted up! And where do I send my KM photoshops?
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 3:32 am) #

I’m not making excuses for Iain’s behaviour - and I’ve commented on his site that I don’t agree with his naming & shaming tactic - but as someone who also blogs under his real name (I even list my full contact details including my address) I do empathise a bit with his situation, even though much of it is at least partly his own doing.

“For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” and while I understand Iain might have ‘gone after’ a few people, the reactions of a lot of others here have been way out of proportion.

There should be an unwritten rule that those who want to keep their identity private need to tone down the abuse of those using their real names. Everyone has feelings and I’ve noticed that even those using aliases get hurt by what others say.

Eg: The other day somebody here (who uses an alias) seemed to take offence to a fairly tame, general, indirect & innocous comment I made and responded with a “fuck you” (I don’t think it was said in jest either, and it certainly wasn’t warranted). Anyway, even though I apologised for the ‘offence’ I might have inadvertently caused ’said alias’ there was no acknowledgement forthcoming from that person.

That’s just a small example of how “people in glass houses …”

The pity is that Iain does raise some good & lively topics and while he often over-generalises, and while he’s often ‘wrong’, his debating style leaves a lot of other right-wingers for dead. I think you learn more by engaging your enemies than by fighting them. Having said that I understand how some people feel about him but I would suggest that everyone is worth another chance.

Just ask yourself this, what harm has he actually done to you?
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 8:42 am) #

Sorry Ray, but for the most part that’s just an utter pile of rubbish.

Speaking as someone else who also posts under his own name, I can understand why an alias is justified. I’ve never blogged under an alias in the three odd years I’ve been blogging and that didn’t stop Iain from trying to get someone who as far as he knew was a minor, to obtain confidential information of me on campus.

The ethical use of aliases may be an interesting and important topic but it’s not particularly germane to Iain’s behaviour. It’s just an ad hoc red herring. It’s not all about “outing” people read the details - like Iain asking for copies of photographs not published online. That’s not outing, you could use an online photo for that. That’s stalking.

Iain asked afore mentioned minor for photos of me from Uni (not to take photos as some have claimed) when he already had both my name and a photo of me!

As for your glass houses analogy, I don’t think that you would like it any more if I told you to get fucked than if someone with an alias did.

Iain may raise some good topics at times I’ll give you that (even though can’t verify) although given how wrong he often is (especially when it deals with right-wing conspiracy theories) the topic itself can be predicated on a false assumption and hence a waste of debating time if dwelled on for too long. And that’s the damage Iain does to debate. Gainsay. He repeats the same fallacies over and over an no matter how you may point to factual evidence or point to logical fallacies he’s made, he won’t budge.

The only way to move on in that kind of debate is to move on from your interlocutor. As for chances, well Iain was given plenty well before I saw you come on the scene so from my perspective I can let you off on that (you have to dig for the history and it’s not an enjoyable task so I don’t suggest it). The thing with gainsayers is that you can only give them so much patience, then no more.

Seriously though when you ask “Just ask yourself this, what harm has he actually done to you?” I really do have to question your honesty.

Firstly, you should be asking what he has tried to do. It’s the obsessive intent that’s the concern.

I’ve personally seen evidence of Iain…

Direct abusive trolls to use Jeremy’s work email.
Threaten to contact Mikey’s employer (or rather every public service employer in Canberra).
Contact Alex’s employer.
Try to obtain my grades and photos of me on campus.
Publish The Ed’s personal details and allude to how they could be used to forge his identity (at best an intentional threat, at worst soliciting a criminal act).
…and much, much more that I’d rather not dwell on, plus the fact that he’s still motivated to do more.

Seriously Ray, if you aren’t backing down on that silly question, I’m calling liar on you. Playing the role of the sensible, moderate voice of reason only works when you aren’t in contradiction with well known facts.

Your not being moderate or reasonable about Iain. You’re being an ignoramus.
notallright (Thursday 8 May 2008, 8:43 am) #

sorry to use you as an example bruce. i think though that any response to him is fuel to the fire.

ray he picks the fights. and he’s only posting under his real name cause after outing jeremy some of us outed him. he would’ve happily been posting under his “beingnice” name.
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:06 am) #

Any response to Ray? What?

And what am I being used as an example of?

You’ve lost me entirely.
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:14 am) #

There should be an unwritten rule that those who want to keep their identity private need to tone down the abuse of those using their real names.

I have to disagree, Ray, and I don’t think your comment bears much relation to the facts. Hall initially came to (minor) prominence in the blogosphere after stalking and outing Jeremy Sear. He didn’t merely out him on his own blog, but spammed the details to random blogs everywhere. Hall posed as a Queensland housewife (’niceperson’) at the time.

Since then, Hall has continued his malicious and hypocritical behaviour. He has made false accusations about virtually everyone who has crossed his path. He has set up literally dozens of hate blogs, for the purpose of smearing his ideological opponents. Three times, now, he has sought the private details of enemy bloggers, and has tried to use them to jeopardise their employment (for instance, contacting a news outlet when he believed that Bridgit Gread was a particular journalist).

The pity is that Iain does raise some good & lively topics and while he often over-generalises, and while he’s often ‘wrong’, his debating style leaves a lot of other right-wingers for dead.

Then god help ‘other right-wingers’.

Just ask yourself this, what harm has he actually done to you?
He’s done everything possible to cause harm. He’s slandered (and photoshopped images of) people blogging under their own name. He’s tried to contact bloggers’ employers. That he hasn’t caused more ‘harm’ is laregly a result of his staggering incompetence, as the intent is well and truly there.
Chuck A. Spear (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:26 am) #

While Ray is attempting to be balanced, and yes Iain has not tried his stalking tactics on Ray and to be fair, Ray is fairly new to the whole Iain Hall saga. He hasn’t witnessed the worst of Ian Hall’s behaviour, he has only witnessed Iain Hall getting his arse kicked (and playing the victim) after starting numerous fights all over the blogosphere.

If Iain was genuine about ending this rediculous blogger war, he should:

a)issue an apology on his blog

b)admit his wrong-doings publicly

c)delete (not lock) his hate/attack blogs

d) Stop with the bullshit that he has a truce with Sear. Sear never attacked Iain. Since when does the stalker/attacker try and make the victim apologise and agree to a truce. This is part of Iain’s delusional make-up. He has no right to ask Sear for a truce.

and

e)make an undertaking not to stalk/harass/try and get personal information to be used it for malevolent purposes. ie threatening people’s livelihoods.

If Iain did all of the above, I think any animosity towards him would cease as would any perceived harassment.
John Surname (Thursday 8 May 2008, 12:18 pm) #

The hilarious part is THR never said Iain looked like a pedophile, which is Iain’s whole excuse for stalking him. Now Ed reveals that Iain isn’t adverse to actually calling people pedophiles.

Oh tap.
John Surname (Thursday 8 May 2008, 12:26 pm) #

Sorry, I was distracted by a girl behind me.
philip travers (Thursday 8 May 2008, 3:32 pm) #

A night with Meninga,in all male company,drinking Ginger Beer,should solve the bastard’s problem!If you are a right-winger you arent an all rounder,and masculinity in N.S.W. has a different perspective to the town of.. Life In A Goldfish Bowl!
Bron (Thursday 8 May 2008, 3:35 pm) #

Go the Raiders!
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 6:11 pm) #

They’re all fair comments except … hey Bruce, no one likes having their integrity questioned mate. That was my honest assessment.

I don’t doubt your stories about Iain but for fuck’s sake he hasn’t killed, raped, mugged or stolen from anyone has he?

It’s just a game folks and sometimes we can all get a bit precious. I just don’t like to see people vilified, alienated and ostracised to the point that some of you have done.

Otherwise I’m a big Grods fan, even when the Ed has an “I gotta write 50 new posts” day. Cheers & let bygones be bygones.
Bridgit Gread (Thursday 8 May 2008, 6:42 pm) #

I don’t doubt your stories about Iain but for fuck’s sake he hasn’t killed, raped, mugged or stolen from anyone has he?

Indeed not.

I just don’t like to see people vilified, alienated and ostracised to the point that some of you have done.

Why are you worried about it? We haven’t killed, raped, mugged or stolen from anyone have we?

No offence Ray but wake up and smell the coffee. We’ve mocked Iain just as he’s mocked us - that’s part of the to-and-fro of blogging. But the nastier stuff that has happened to Iain Hall has occured when he sticks his head into the noose because he’s too busy looking for new and interesting ways to damage the real-life reputations - if not the real lives - of other people. And if you can’t see that then you’re as blind as him.

All that said, I agree with Ed - it’s time to ignore him, once and for all. He’s taken up amounts of our attention that are grossly disproportionate to his own importance.
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 6:51 pm) #

Musings on Hall, just like Hall himself, are an intellectual dead end.
That aside, the blog wars have been enjoyable. At some level, I’m sure even Hall himself would agree with that statement, particularly all those times he was cooking up hare-brained schemes and half-arsed blog posts, laughing maniacally all the while.
Of course, there have been casualties in all of this, but I’m not sure that Hall is one of them. Nobody has written to his employer. And hey, all of this fighting has kept the dodgy bastard off the streets.
There will always be a need to mock deranged right-wingers, and Hall provides endless material for this. I can’t say we’ve achieved all of our goals here: we never even got to start creating HallCats. Still, there are plenty of other buffoons waiting to be ridiculed, and no doubt plenty of other stalkers, waiting to take Hall’s place.
All good things must come to an end, and thus we enter into an armistice with Hall.

The Blogwars, 2005-2008
Lest; We Forget
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 7:17 pm) #

“there are plenty of other buffoons waiting to be ridiculed …

Anonymously no doubt. THR, you were only ‘outed’ (erroneously as it turned out) as the result of a rather childish set up that Iain fell for. What did it prove? Not a lot, but it helped to reinforce your hatred of him.

Bridgit, I’m certainly “awake” but one thing I’m not is “blinded” … by hatred. Honestly, you sound as though you believe anyone who disagrees with you is a fool. Why can’t you respect my opinion and agree to disagree?
Bridgit Gread (Thursday 8 May 2008, 7:25 pm) #

Because anyone who has the facts at their fingertips - and either cannot or will not acknowledge them - probably is a fool.

I doubt you’d feel so conciliatory if some clown had mocked up a ‘Ray Dixon’ blog, knocking off your own posts and republishing them alongside images and words expressing hatred of Jews and a fondness for Adolf Hitler. But that’s OK isn’t it, “it’s just a game”.
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 7:33 pm) #

What did it prove?
Prove? Nothing we didn’t already know. But the journey is as important as the destination.

You can sneer at my anonymity, but of the first two blogs I ever read, one was Boltwatch, and I know how that ended for an anonymous blogger. Further to BG’s post above, I wouldn’t want people creating Nazi blogs under my real name.

If Iain is consumed with hatred, then it says more about him than me, or anybody else for that matter.
Mikey (Thursday 8 May 2008, 7:36 pm) #

Boltwatch convinced me being anon was a good idea.
Bron (Thursday 8 May 2008, 7:52 pm) #

Me too. So did Slanderyou, Hall, Blair, etc.
Bridgit Gread (Thursday 8 May 2008, 8:01 pm) #

Don’t worry - Ray sneers at anonymity and so does Iain. And who are Iain’s best mates? KG, MK, CL, LE, et al.

(Sounds more like an eye-chart than a phonebook.)
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 8:47 pm) #

Bron & Bridgit, I HAVE been slandered by Slanderyou and I have had a website write constant libellous crap about me and guess what? I don’t give a shit about it. No bodily or financial harm was incurred and my integrity remained in tact. Cheers. Hey, I like you guys but sometimes you’re, er, for the want of a better word … pernicious!
Chuck A. Spear (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:12 pm) #

Ray, you have no frame of reference here. You are like a dude who walks into the middle of a movie and asks, “what is going on?”

I have witnessed the behaviour of Iain Hall since his boltwatch-watch site way back in the beginning of time, the big bang so to speak. At times I have felt sorry for him, at times I have tried to help him, but I always find that he never, ever learns.

As far as the anonymity-schitck goes, who really gives a fuck who anyone is - except for Iain Hall. He is the one who wants to know who you are so he can liken you to a pedophile (Scott) or a lesbian Nazi (Bridgit), need I go on about contacting employers etc. Jesus Christ, the guy is a cunt; pure and simple.

Most bloggers here know my real name and job and they couldn’t careless. I feel no need to blog in my real name. It’s not going to change what I write. And I don’t give a fuck of you or Iain Hall think I’m a coward for blogging as ‘Chuck.’ It’s blogging for fuck’s sake. I’m not doing a PHD or writing a resume.

Iain Hall started a fight and lost, badly. But it’s all fun and games until someone cries and that person is Iain. Fuck him, sook.

I will remember the good times. And I do hope that one day, Iain see the error of his ways.

As you were.
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:13 pm) #

Ray,

Have you ever had anyone at your work or study (or whatever) contacted by someone online seeking to get at you? Do you have anyone vulnerable in your care who’s privacy could be violated by this kind of malevolent voyeurism?

I have and I do and my experience isn’t unique. It’s not just nasty people writing nasty things about people.
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:19 pm) #

I’m not doing a PHD or writing a resume.

I wrote my PhD in my hotmail name.

Jazz Randyboy.
Chuck A. Spear (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:22 pm) #

Oh, you’re Jazz Randyboy. How’s the Taxi?

BTW, I can’t even write PHD (sic) properly. I guess it’s a Thai jail cell for me.
Bron (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:31 pm) #

Pernicious then I am, Ray, but I prefer to be anonymous after witnessing the creepy stalking and what-have-you to others, if not necessarily yourself (that is, no harm was incurred to you; you were lucky, I guess).

And that’s my choice. Not yours, and definitely not Iain’s.

BTW, FYI, I wasn’t even having a go at you. I was just agreeing with what Mikey said about choosing to go anon, and the reasons for that choice.
Bridgit Gread (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:34 pm) #

I HAVE been slandered by Slanderyou and I have had a website write constant libellous crap about me and guess what? I don’t give a shit about it.

Yeah, bingo. But what I wonder is this… why are you only here telling us to ‘not give a shit’? Why weren’t you telling it to Iain Hall when he was neck-deep in his vendetta to ‘out’ Ant and THR? You were noticeably silent on the ‘not giving a shit’ front then, Ray old son.

I’ll be up front: I don’t think you’re objective on the issue of Iain Hall. I think you’ve swallowed his I’ve-sinned-but-been-sinned-against-more crap. It wouldn’t surprise me if you’re swapping cosy e-mails with Iain about how you disapprove of how cruel we all are to him. Not that I really care about any of that, since it’s your call - but your lectures on Iain Hall won’t really have much credibility here.
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 9:43 pm) #

Bridgit, if he or anyone were so apathetic, I doubt they’d write a thing.
Terry Wright (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:18 pm) #

Oh BG, the sharpest cat in town.

You have an incredible ability to cut a comment to shreds. I agree with you 100% and well done putting Ray’s objectiveness into perspective. BG draws blood!

I think bruce has a wonderful idea. Just ban Hall; from every blog, never mention him again and forget the muthaficker. Not only will it free up 20-30 hours of comedy time a week but it will piss him off even more. He loves attention and what better way to end the era than let him stew in his own bile knowing he got his hillbilly arse kicked.

Can we take a vote? Who is willing to pull the plug on Hall;?
~~Iain Hall~~ (Iain, you can’t vote)
Anyone else?
Chuck A. Spear (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:25 pm) #

Oh BG, the sharpest cat in town.

No need for hyperbole, Terry.

Who is willing to pull the plug on Hall?

Yes, I’ll just stop paying tax.
John Surname (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:26 pm) #

“…as the result of a rather childish set up that Iain fell for.”

Excuse me? It wouldn’t have happened if Iain wasn’t foolishly offering bounties for the identities of people whose only crime is to be more articulate than him.
Bridgit Gread (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:37 pm) #

If asked which came first, the chicken or the egg, I reckon Ray would choose the omelette.
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:52 pm) #

Well, if he’s going to be so credulous to Iain I think that a creationist could convince him it was the chicken.

Sorry. Rear-guard reflexes of a future biology teacher.
Bruce (Thursday 8 May 2008, 10:56 pm) #

Can we take a vote? Who is willing to pull the plug on Hall;?

Yep. The only problem I see with this is that encouraging a blanket ban involves talking about him, but at least it’s temporary.
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:12 pm) #

Chuck, I’ve seen the re-run of the movie and I think I know what’s going on. I’m just saying that I think people have over-reacted to Hall, like a few are doing to me on this thread. Not you and not Bron but Bridgit’s a bit over-the top.
John Surname (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:19 pm) #

Hall got the spanking he clearly deserved. When someone is willing to reward the revelation of identities a spanking is in order.

Or a whipping judging by what Iain once said to me:

“I am so in love with you and I just cant [sic] stop imagining you in that SS uniform with your ridding crop glistening with my own blood after you have given me a beating because I really deserve it”
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:21 pm) #

Hall-sympathiser.
That means you’re excluded from Grods kriss kringle. (Secret Santa, for the US readers).
Krypto (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:31 pm) #

festering great arse nuggets to the odious semicolon.
There is one thing I enjoy more than muck-slinging in the general direction of that little twerp, that being his continued and ongoing absence.

Fuck off hall you noxious little fart-wipe, go find a hole to crawl down and die.
Ray Dixon (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:38 pm) #

It wouldn’t have happened if Iain wasn’t foolishly offering bounties

I realise that John. Thanks for dropping the “fuck you” from your response though.
John Surname (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:43 pm) #

You’re not welcome.
Iain's Conscience (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:47 pm) #

Hall is a dirty, degenerate Queensland sheep fucker. When the sheep is dead, he uses lubricated toilet rolls.

He’s a dirty girl with a bad habit.

Ray Dixon (or should I say Dicks on…) likes kinky perversion…
THR (Thursday 8 May 2008, 11:54 pm) #

I think this thread should be kept alive. We should leave at least one comment on it per week.
Chuck A. Spear (Friday 9 May 2008, 12:00 am) #

Fair enough, Ray. But I think when it comes it Iain Hall and Grods, you have been two-faced on the issue. On the surface you act objective but when it comes to Iain Hall, you have have egged him on in relation to his (now locked) attack blogs.

I don’t think Bridgit has over-reacted on this thread. She is spot on. And maybe it’s something you should think about. You were warned about Iain, and man, for someone who writes a decent blog, with interesting issues like you do, the mind boggles as to why you give a fuck about Iain Hall.

I don’t think it’s virtue either. I think only you know why, but it’s your opinion and decision. Just don’t get pernicious amnesia like Iain does.

Yes, there have been some quite full-on attacks on Iain, he has been sworn at, laughed at, poked, prodded and jeered. More importantly, before any of this and during this too, attempt after attempt was made to reason with him - to no avail.

Iain got his measure over the last few years and then some more. Yes, there was more than one person having a go at him, and a ‘new’ observer it may have seemed that he was being picked on. However, only one or two have ever joined Iain’s side only to realise that they don’t want to be associated with him. See Leon Bertrand, David Tan etc.

I’m not speaking on behalf of Grods here, even though I am writing this on their site. It is my opinion.

Other than that, I like your blog.
Chuck A. Spear (Friday 9 May 2008, 12:02 am) #

“Iain’s Conscience” piss off. Those comments don’t help.
Bruce (Friday 9 May 2008, 12:11 am) #

I think this thread should be kept alive. We should leave at least one comment on it per week.

Oh God, no! You are joking?
Ray Dixon (Friday 9 May 2008, 12:15 am) #

Chuck , how have I “egged” him on? That’s just not right . And as for Bridgit, she’s not “spot on”. I DID tell Iain he shouldn’t out people or write hate blogs.

This has got out of control here and there’s a bit of a mob mentality going on.
Bron (Friday 9 May 2008, 12:29 am) #

“Iain’s Conscience” piss off. Those comments don’t help.

Yeah, what Chuck said. Not only do they not help, but they’re not even funny.
Ray Dixon (Friday 9 May 2008, 1:09 am) #

Bridgit, FYI this is what I said to Iain while all those kiddies games were going on:

I’m not “taking sides” here but it is true that when you are verbally abused & insulted in your own name by anonymous posters it does get under your skin, no matter how thick it is. However, I don’t go along with “naming & shaming” the offenders because in the end it doesn’t achieve anything.

And in another comment:

… use the weapons of your enemy - irony & mockery. As long as it’s not malicious it’s a perfectly valid way of ’squaring up’ and it earns more respect than “naming & shaming” or making rambling nitpicking posts to prove “what he said was wrong”.

The last bit is a clear reference to Iain’s hate blogs, which I notice he removed soon after.

I also said:

Sorry, I don’t mean to be patronising or “give you hints” on how to conduct yourself, it’s just an interesting topic and I think we can all learn from each other.

That applies equally to this thread.
Krypto (Friday 9 May 2008, 1:22 am) #

Ed, there’s a lesson in this, when you dig dead things up after a while, they stink.
Throw old king colon back down his pit and shovel some dirt over him for pitty’s sake, he’s making me sick here.
Bron (Friday 9 May 2008, 8:26 am) #

Not only that, Hall must be loving this.
The Editor (Friday 9 May 2008, 8:58 am) #

I agree, Bron. I think everyone’s made their points quite clearly and dwelling on the subject has the opposite effect to that we desire so let’s allow this thread to die, hey?
Terry Wright (Friday 9 May 2008, 9:01 am) #

So …
Are we going to end this?

I’ll join the Grods pledge.
No Hall comments at my site(not that he probably visits anyway). No reference to him anywhere. No commenting at his site.

I’ll leave him be and hopefully he will reciprocate. That will be the last I have to deal with it.

Anyone else?
Bron (Friday 9 May 2008, 9:22 am) #

Ditto, Terry.
Bridgit Gread (Friday 9 May 2008, 5:39 pm) #

I’m just saying that I think people have over-reacted to Hall, like a few are doing to me on this thread. Not you and not Bron but Bridgit’s a bit over-the top.

At least I’m honest and consistent, Ray, which is not something we’ll be writing on your report for Web-Stalkers 101.
Mikey (Friday 9 May 2008, 8:07 pm) #

I have that theme song from Young Talent time in my head now.
Krypto (Friday 9 May 2008, 8:27 pm) #

goodnight Mikey…mmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMmmmmMMMMMmMMMMMmMMMMMMMMmMMMMMmmMMMMMMMmMmMMMmMMmMMMMMMmMMMmMMMMMmMmMMmM
Krypto (Friday 9 May 2008, 8:28 pm) #

oops
Liv (Friday 9 May 2008, 11:01 pm) #

Oh. So that’s what’s been going on.

Right.

In the words of Daniel Osbourne : “Actually, it explains a LOT!”
Terry Wright (Friday 9 May 2008, 11:47 pm) #

All right Iain’s gone.

Now the baby elephant boy, Elijah has stepped up to the mark.
From his blog…

Headline: Homo sapiens male wins right to take wife’s name

Story: ALL Michael Buday wanted to do was take the last name of his wife, Diana Bijon, when they married in the US.
Elijah: In exchange for his balls. You’re a disgrace you castrated sack of puerile filth.
–
Story: A double-barreled name would have been no problem, nor would Diana and Michael deciding to each keep their birth names. But California and some 40 other US states provided no place on the marriage licence application, and driving licence, for the groom to choose the bride’s surname.
Elijah: For a good bloody reason it’s like that. What reason? If you have to ask then you’ll never know.
–
Story: “When we got married, the law basically said, ‘Don’t be silly, only a woman can change her name when she gets married.’”
Elijah: NO! It says ‘Don’t be silly, only a woman should change her name when she gets married.’

Elijah: And the ramparts of Western Civilisation continue to be dismantled. It’s just happening slowly.
John Surname (Saturday 10 May 2008, 12:28 am) #

It’s why the laideez are lining up to go out with the self professed SNAG of the bloggospehre (sic).