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		<title>By: John Shade</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42317</link>
		<dc:creator>John Shade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there been a sudden outbreak of people smoking in cars with the windows up?</description>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS &lt;a href=&quot;http://harrangueman.blogspot.com/2009/07/tony-sez.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thanks Grods&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS <a href="http://harrangueman.blogspot.com/2009/07/tony-sez.html" rel="nofollow">Thanks Grods</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42266</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst. Ex health minister. Ever.</description>
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		<title>By: Bridgit Gread</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42264</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridgit Gread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never smoke kids in the car.</description>
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		<title>By: Elbowgrease</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42263</link>
		<dc:creator>Elbowgrease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an ancient stoner</description>
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		<title>By: Elbowgrease</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42262</link>
		<dc:creator>Elbowgrease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DONT FUKING SMOKE WITH KIDS IN THE CAR    OK</description>
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		<title>By: @ndy</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42261</link>
		<dc:creator>@ndy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If The Mad Monk is the result of parents&#039; smoking with kids in the car, obviously, the ban must be enforced with relentless savagery.

Or did I miss something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If The Mad Monk is the result of parents&#8217; smoking with kids in the car, obviously, the ban must be enforced with relentless savagery.</p>
<p>Or did I miss something?</p>
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		<title>By: Chade</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42234</link>
		<dc:creator>Chade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I could well be wrong, but my understanding is that smoking has been banned in pubs and clubs because of the health risks posed to workers in those clubs.&lt;/i&gt;
Yep, and workers didn&#039;t have a choice in whether they were exposed to it or not. Children would come into the same boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I could well be wrong, but my understanding is that smoking has been banned in pubs and clubs because of the health risks posed to workers in those clubs.</i><br />
Yep, and workers didn&#8217;t have a choice in whether they were exposed to it or not. Children would come into the same boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42232</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read Abbott&#039;s comment as implying that smoking is not harmful confessions - I read it as speculation that passive smoke is not so harmful as to require government regulation.

I admit that it&#039;s not a particularly strong basis on which to form public policy!  Even less so from a man who used to be our health minister.

And apologies to Skeptic - I didn&#039;t notice your response above until confessions referred to it.  Your links certainly do make a strong case - although I obviously haven&#039;t read any critical analysis of the points raised.

So what&#039;s next on the banning agenda?  I hear the studies are pretty conclusive about allowing your kids to eat too much junk food - does $250 per mars bar sound about right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read Abbott&#8217;s comment as implying that smoking is not harmful confessions &#8211; I read it as speculation that passive smoke is not so harmful as to require government regulation.</p>
<p>I admit that it&#8217;s not a particularly strong basis on which to form public policy!  Even less so from a man who used to be our health minister.</p>
<p>And apologies to Skeptic &#8211; I didn&#8217;t notice your response above until confessions referred to it.  Your links certainly do make a strong case &#8211; although I obviously haven&#8217;t read any critical analysis of the points raised.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s next on the banning agenda?  I hear the studies are pretty conclusive about allowing your kids to eat too much junk food &#8211; does $250 per mars bar sound about right?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42231</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if Tone and Andrew Bolt both said it didn&#039;t do any harm, would that make it true?  And isn&#039;t it a bit rich for BigEars to be complaining about a nanny state when he wants to take away people&#039;s right to choice in things like abortion?  At least if you disapprove of abortion you don&#039;t have to have one, but if your mum and dad are smoking in the car, what are your choices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if Tone and Andrew Bolt both said it didn&#8217;t do any harm, would that make it true?  And isn&#8217;t it a bit rich for BigEars to be complaining about a nanny state when he wants to take away people&#8217;s right to choice in things like abortion?  At least if you disapprove of abortion you don&#8217;t have to have one, but if your mum and dad are smoking in the car, what are your choices?</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42225</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Bron - spam maybe?

Mondo: a lot of those earlier studies measured children&#039;s exposure to tobacco smoke per se. Once you start measuring levels of children exposed in closed confines, the intake is even greater as skeptic&#039;s comment says.

Abbott has used the common faulty logic that says &quot;smoking is not harmful because my dad smoked a pack a day all his life and died at 90.&quot;  it&#039;s devoid of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Bron &#8211; spam maybe?</p>
<p>Mondo: a lot of those earlier studies measured children&#8217;s exposure to tobacco smoke per se. Once you start measuring levels of children exposed in closed confines, the intake is even greater as skeptic&#8217;s comment says.</p>
<p>Abbott has used the common faulty logic that says &#8220;smoking is not harmful because my dad smoked a pack a day all his life and died at 90.&#8221;  it&#8217;s devoid of common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42222</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Confessions!  This is my first exposure to Google Scholar and it seems like there&#039;s mountains of stuff worth trawling through.

I&#039;ve stated reading some of the studies but it&#039;s hard going for a non-scientist like me.  Many of the studies on the first page do seem to indicate a link between child exposure to passive smoke and illness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Confessions!  This is my first exposure to Google Scholar and it seems like there&#8217;s mountains of stuff worth trawling through.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve stated reading some of the studies but it&#8217;s hard going for a non-scientist like me.  Many of the studies on the first page do seem to indicate a link between child exposure to passive smoke and illness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bron</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42218</link>
		<dc:creator>Bron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments released, confessions and skeptic. No idea why confessions&#039; comments were moderated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments released, confessions and skeptic. No idea why confessions&#8217; comments were moderated.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe look towards the reasoning behind banning smoking in pubs and clubs - a car is obviously a considerably smaller enclosed space - if you really want.&lt;/i&gt;

I could well be wrong, but my understanding is that smoking has been banned in pubs and clubs because of the health risks posed to &lt;i&gt;workers&lt;/i&gt; in those clubs.  There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; research linking prolonged and intense exposure to second-hand smoke to long-term health issues, but I don&#039;t think that same research applies to short-term exposure of kids in cars.

Look - I&#039;m not a smoker, but I do believe that our freedom as individuals should not be curtailed without solid evidence that doing so will achieve some greater public good.  

I&#039;m just wondering if any such evidence exists in this instance . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe look towards the reasoning behind banning smoking in pubs and clubs &#8211; a car is obviously a considerably smaller enclosed space &#8211; if you really want.</i></p>
<p>I could well be wrong, but my understanding is that smoking has been banned in pubs and clubs because of the health risks posed to <i>workers</i> in those clubs.  There <i>is</i> research linking prolonged and intense exposure to second-hand smoke to long-term health issues, but I don&#8217;t think that same research applies to short-term exposure of kids in cars.</p>
<p>Look &#8211; I&#8217;m not a smoker, but I do believe that our freedom as individuals should not be curtailed without solid evidence that doing so will achieve some greater public good.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wondering if any such evidence exists in this instance . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42213</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mondo Rock:  type passive smoking and children into google scholar.  you&#039;ll find all the research you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mondo Rock:  type passive smoking and children into google scholar.  you&#8217;ll find all the research you need.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42211</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can somebody please release my comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can somebody please release my comments?</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42210</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm my comment with links to research about passive smoking and children has disappeared!

in any case, googling turns up heaps of studies.

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=passive+smoking+and+children&amp;num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;output=search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm my comment with links to research about passive smoking and children has disappeared!</p>
<p>in any case, googling turns up heaps of studies.</p>
<p><a href="http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=passive+smoking+and+children&amp;num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;output=search" rel="nofollow">http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=passive+smoking+and+children&amp;num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;output=search</a></p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42209</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you actually know of any research, expert opinion or statistics that show smoking in cars with kids leads to health problems? &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=passive+smoking+and+children&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;take your pick.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you actually know of any research, expert opinion or statistics that show smoking in cars with kids leads to health problems? </i></p>
<p><a href="http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=passive+smoking+and+children&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">take your pick.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chade</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42208</link>
		<dc:creator>Chade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe look towards the reasoning behind banning smoking in pubs and clubs - a car is obviously a considerably smaller enclosed space - if you really want.

And consider research into whether multi-tasking while driving leads to a higher incidence of accidents... :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe look towards the reasoning behind banning smoking in pubs and clubs &#8211; a car is obviously a considerably smaller enclosed space &#8211; if you really want.</p>
<p>And consider research into whether multi-tasking while driving leads to a higher incidence of accidents&#8230; :p</p>
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		<title>By: skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42207</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mondo

In the ABC news item this story is linked to is this quote:

&lt;i&gt;Long time anti-smoking campaigner Professor Mike Daube from Curtin University disagrees. 

&quot;We found that a child in a car exposed to two cigarettes was getting 70 times the level of toxic exposures they would be getting that are reckoned to be dangerous by the US EPA,&quot; he said. 

&quot;So there are clear implications for the health of children, asthmatic children, children with other respiratory symptoms.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And a quick google brought up these results:

http://www.quit.org.au/quit/FandI/fandi/c04.htm

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_596/ASH_596.html

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_597/ASH_597.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mondo</p>
<p>In the ABC news item this story is linked to is this quote:</p>
<p><i>Long time anti-smoking campaigner Professor Mike Daube from Curtin University disagrees. </p>
<p>&#8220;We found that a child in a car exposed to two cigarettes was getting 70 times the level of toxic exposures they would be getting that are reckoned to be dangerous by the US EPA,&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>&#8220;So there are clear implications for the health of children, asthmatic children, children with other respiratory symptoms.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And a quick google brought up these results:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quit.org.au/quit/FandI/fandi/c04.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.quit.org.au/quit/FandI/fandi/c04.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_596/ASH_596.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_596/ASH_596.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_597/ASH_597.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_597/ASH_597.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42206</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You attack Abbott for his failure to consult &#039;research, expert opinion and statistics&#039; when formulating his opposition to this policy.  That attack is valid.

However it would be equally valid to turn that same analysis back on those who &lt;i&gt;support&lt;/i&gt; the policy.  Are they basing their policy position on research, expert opinion or fact, or are they also just going with their gut (smoking is bad, m&#039;kay)?

Does anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You attack Abbott for his failure to consult &#8216;research, expert opinion and statistics&#8217; when formulating his opposition to this policy.  That attack is valid.</p>
<p>However it would be equally valid to turn that same analysis back on those who <i>support</i> the policy.  Are they basing their policy position on research, expert opinion or fact, or are they also just going with their gut (smoking is bad, m&#8217;kay)?</p>
<p>Does anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42202</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not commenting on the policy, I&#039;m commenting on Abbott&#039;s gut feeling approach to policy debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not commenting on the policy, I&#8217;m commenting on Abbott&#8217;s gut feeling approach to policy debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42201</link>
		<dc:creator>Mondo Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Forget research, expert opinion and statistics&lt;/i&gt;

Do you actually know of any research, expert opinion or statistics that show smoking in cars with kids leads to health problems? 

I only ask because, while it seems logical to conclude that such evidence exists, I&#039;m not personally aware of any of it.  I assume this law was passed from a body of conclusive evidence showing the clear danger of smoking in cars - but I don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Forget research, expert opinion and statistics</i></p>
<p>Do you actually know of any research, expert opinion or statistics that show smoking in cars with kids leads to health problems? </p>
<p>I only ask because, while it seems logical to conclude that such evidence exists, I&#8217;m not personally aware of any of it.  I assume this law was passed from a body of conclusive evidence showing the clear danger of smoking in cars &#8211; but I don&#8217;t <i>know</i> that.</p>
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		<title>By: Idlaviv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idlaviv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like roots seeking water...
Those ears were seeking air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like roots seeking water&#8230;<br />
Those ears were seeking air.</p>
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		<title>By: confessions</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42199</link>
		<dc:creator>confessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What makes these actions intrinsically more harmful because they happen on a long weekend or at Christmas or at Easter?” he said.&lt;/i&gt;

umm, maybe the increase of cars on the roads at holiday times.  

what is it with the right and sheer lunacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What makes these actions intrinsically more harmful because they happen on a long weekend or at Christmas or at Easter?” he said.</i></p>
<p>umm, maybe the increase of cars on the roads at holiday times.  </p>
<p>what is it with the right and sheer lunacy?</p>
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		<title>By: Chade</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42198</link>
		<dc:creator>Chade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...and I would have had much greater intelligence, who knows?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We know it might&#039;ve helped, Tone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;and I would have had much greater intelligence, who knows?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We know it might&#8217;ve helped, Tone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cosmicjester</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42197</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmicjester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets better.

&quot;And he cites double demerit points for speeding on public holidays as another example of an overbearing nanny state.

&quot;What makes these actions intrinsically more harmful because they happen on a long weekend or at Christmas or at Easter?&quot; he said.&quot;

*facepalm*

I don&#039;t know Tony, ever notice the easter and Christmas road toll each year? How it is slightly higher than non-holiday times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets better.</p>
<p>&#8220;And he cites double demerit points for speeding on public holidays as another example of an overbearing nanny state.</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes these actions intrinsically more harmful because they happen on a long weekend or at Christmas or at Easter?&#8221; he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>*facepalm*</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Tony, ever notice the easter and Christmas road toll each year? How it is slightly higher than non-holiday times.</p>
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		<title>By: Wah</title>
		<link>http://www.grods.com/post/7237/comment-page-1/#comment-42196</link>
		<dc:creator>Wah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There needs to be new warnings, like: Smoking in cars makes your children&#039;s ears grow ridiculously large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be new warnings, like: Smoking in cars makes your children&#8217;s ears grow ridiculously large.</p>
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